Capitalism is Opposed to Human Happiness Debate
Date: 07-24-2010, 02:51 PM
SOCIALISM DOESNT WORK, CAPITALISM DOES. It stops working when government allows illegal activity of corporations and banks, which they clearly have. If you dont understand, its probably why you are making this post. Your probably not a student of history and probably someone who just became politically active. Please, go read about socialism has worked throughout history. The major problems this country has is a lack of education. A lack of education in what a capitalistic system is and a lack of education in what to look for when the socialist system is imposed on our capitalist system.
You are right, Capitalism does not support human happiness. It supports individual happiness. For anything to support the collective human happiness, you need to take happiness from someone who is really happy and give that happiness to someone who in not happy so that in fact everyone will be equally happy.
Will someone be happy when their happiness is taken away and given to someone else?
There are some very simple arguments against the collectivistic ideas. Thats the reason why it doesnt work. If its illogical to begin with, how could anyone expect it to work?
Date: 07-24-2010, 03:15 PM
And Ill also debate your argument specifically.
1) Material Existance: I understand that you are basically saying that meterial wealth does not create happiness, that is true. But, your argument is logically wrong because you refer to a type of person who is at an economic disadvantage as having the same benefit of an economically sufficeint person, which is a logical fallacy. Money is needed for a nice bed, good food and medicine. None of those objects are create by volunteers. In short, you must work for your own health, comfort and quality of life, or else someone else will have to work for you. This is not the idea of a free society considering no one volunteers their hard earned money to pay for someone else's problems. Our country is not a democracy, it is a republic which protects individual rights, not the rights of the majority.
2)Inequality of Bargaining power: I think you miss the point of a business owner and an employee. Not all can be business owners and not all can be an employee, or a laberor as you refer to. In capitalism, you must have both. What you fail to understand is that capitalism should have as little government involvement as possible. Why? Because a capitalist system ceses to be capitalist when the free market ceses to exist. You cannot have government making it harder, more expensive or influencing markets and continue to have free markets. So, all the seperation of wealth has nothing to do with capitalism, it has to do with corporations being in bed with politicians so that the politicians will pass laws and regulations in favor of themselves, thus hurting anyone who doesnt have that kind of economic pull (I.E. Employees and laborors). But what about small business? Capitalism, especially in our system, is supposed to be small business based. Do you know a small business that is growing like it might have 15 years ago? I dont. I do know there is fewer and fewer small business being able to sustain themselves and less and less new business being created. This is because while big corporations are bailed out and given breaks, small business is constantly monitored for taxes and employee regulations that the cost of doing business has sky rocketed, another reason why the majority of this country suffers while a few on top prosper.
I think your conclusion is right: There must be a level playing field. But the creation of this unequal enviornment is not due to capitalism, it is due to coruption. The second that corporations are able to exercise freedom of speech by donating gobs of money to campaigns is when and where this corruption has spawned. Corporations pertaining to law are considered to be a living entity with certain rights just as an individual person would have, but cannot be subject to the same punishment as a person because it is simply not a person, it is a business that is created to make money. In terms of corporations and capitalism, the corporation should be at a disadvantage because of the power and wealth a proper corporation can aquire opposed to the small business. Not harder and more expensive to do business, but be restricted on the corporation's rights to influence politicians as small business had the right to do so, just does not have the means to do so.
We dont have a capitalist system anymore, its corporatist, which is why the corporations are at large, the only ones benefitting.
Date: 07-24-2010, 03:18 PM
I would not give all the credit to greed as the cause of this recession. The government established the playing field and basically forced brokers to play or die. It is the result of unintended consequences through improper government intrusion into the free market. Basically, the government said to ignor the risk by allowing F&F to buy up toxic assets.
Date: 07-24-2010, 03:20 PM
Exactly what I was getting at, just a much shorter version haha
Date: 07-24-2010, 03:34 PM
Wrong. Capitalism doesnít work either. Just look around you.
Capitalism without huge government involvement is so unstable it can last for a generation or two at most. When people canít feed themselves or their children they tend to get a little cranky. Thatís what happens when you privilege some individuals to all that the earth has to offer, and deprive others of those advantages. Capitalism deprives most individuals of their right to use the earth and other natural opportunities, that is what makes it so politically unstable.
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